Handbook Talk:AMD64/Installation/Networking

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Note on manually configuring a network

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This discussion is done as of 2024-01-07.

In regards to: Handbook:AMD64/Installation/Networking#Using_ifconfig_and_route

Please be aware that if you are on a network with no DHCP dhcpd will still attempt to run, notable:

   root     12528  0.0  0.0   2996  2136 ?        Ss   15:37   0:00 dhcpcd -n -h livecd

This will make it so that wired network adaptors will carry the noprefixroute flag and will therefore not automatically add a route to any network that is assigned, so if you was to do the following:

   ifconfig eth0 10.0.0.2/24 up

You would not as expected be able to ping 10.0.0.1, you would have to also do the following:

   route add -net 10.0.0.0/24 gw 10.0.0.2

After this you will then be able to add you're network gateway as expected:

   route add default gw 10.0.0.1

— The preceding unsigned comment was added by PaulGWebster (talk • contribs)

This portion of the handbook has been revised to use iproute2 over ifconfig and route. There is info about dhcpcd automatically starting and how to stop it from behaving this way. I have not tested this noprefixroute issue, but it's not an issue using ip route. Please let me know if this still seems to be an issue. Zen desu (talk) 21:45, 7 January 2024 (UTC)

Suggestion for Improvement

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This section is pretty good. And my hardwired ethernet configuration worked right from the git-go, so I was able to skip most of this chapter when I installed Gentoo. I do think a hint about later network configuration steps might be helpful -- probably near the end of 1.1.1 ifconfig command:

Be sure to make a note of your ethernet interface name. This datum will be needed when you reach chapter 8, Configuring the system.

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That's the only suggestion I have right now. --Davidbryant (talk) 17:43, 22 July 2020 (UTC)

What do you mean? A note along the lines of "this network configuration is done for the live environment, final system network configuration happens later"? Zen desu (talk) 02:17, 8 January 2024 (UTC)

Could use a dedicated section on wpa_supplicant setup

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All modern wireless networks use at least wpa. Even if you could set up a temporary unencrypted network under some circumstances, I think a section here with a handbook-style step by step guide on configuring wpa_supplicant and authenticating with wpa_cli would save people from having to look through the networking page and external sources like the arch wiki.

Jmcb (talk) 16:05, 24 December 2021 (UTC)

Personally I prefer to recommend net-setup or using the LiveGUI for wireless setup rather than fighting with wpa_supplicant. This does bring up a good point that we should highlight the importance of these tools so users don't need to do it the hard way.

Immolo (talk) 21:36, 6 May 2024 (UTC)

If this is something you feel should be implemented, can you start a new discussion?

— Waldo Lemmer 06:04, 10 May 2024 (UTC)

This page now has a note that links to a dedicated Handbook page on wpa_supplicant setup: Handbook:AMD64/Networking/Wireless.

— Waldo Lemmer 06:03, 10 May 2024 (UTC)

Suggestion for a wireless section

Following the above discussion about a dedicated wpa_supplicant section, and after reading the handbook page about Configuring the network during installation, I do believe a wireless configuration section would be quite welcome here.

The article is already rich in information regarding various configurations (e.g. using proxies, using PPPoE, using PPTP). There is even a section discussing wireless configuration using WEP, which to me, at least visually, seems to be awkwardly placed under the Application specific configuration section. I do not see adding pointers to WPA configuration as adding too much complexity to the text.

I am aware there is a whole section of the handbook dedicated to networking, including wireless, but I do not see a reason to require the user to break the great tutorial flow of the handbook experienced thus far in order to read another article just because he/she is using a WPA protected wireless network, which I believe is far from being an uncanny setup nowadays.

My proposal is that the WEP section be merged with a brief wpa_supplicant explanation with generic configuration for WPA protected networks under the aforementioned new section Configuring a Wireless Network (or something to that effect), with pointers to the more complete Wireless article for further details and more specific configurations.

If there is interest in the idea, I can write a stub for that section here in this discussion (is this the correct place to write suggestion stubs?).

Appreciate the attention and the great work. Kind regards.

— Gabe (talk) 22:27, 16 June 2024 (UTC)